Hope for Life’s Detours, with Bethany Beal and Kristen Clark

From unexpected moves, to health challenges, to job loss . . . where can you find hope when your plans fall apart? Hear Bethany Beal and Kristen Clark share their perspectives about life’s detours in this episode of Grounded.

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Episode Notes:

Not Part of the Plan by Kristen Clark & Bethany Beal

You Can Trust God to Write Your Story by Nancy DeMoss Wolgemuth and Robert Wolgemuth

“God Can Use a Twisted Story” video

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Erin Davis: Welcome to Grounded. Open wide because I'll be your dental hygienist today. I'm Erin Davis.

Portia Collins: Girl, I am not letting you look inside my mouth.

Erin: That's probably wise.

Portia: I’m Portia Collins, along with our co-host, Alejandra Slemin. We are here to give you a dose of hope and perspective. So, Erin, what's up with the dental hygiene remark?

Erin: Glad you asked. I kind of set you up for that. It's a little-known fact that I started my college education right out of high school with a plan to become a dental hygienist.

Portia: Really? I certainly can't picture that. So, I need you to tell me more.

Erin: Yeah, obviously, neither could I. I failed freshman Zoology. So, we're really going to get into confessions here. Like, I really failed. The whole class is the only class I've ever failed in my life, scout’s honor. As a result, I was kicked out of the dental hygiene program at the college where I was enrolled. And that was not part of the plan. At least it was not part of my plan, though. I do want to give big high fives to all the dental hygienists out there who are watching. I'm so glad that you did not flunk out of Zoology your freshman year. But it was not God's plan for me. So, Portia, do you have something in your life right now that you look at and you think that was not part of the plan?

Portia: Honestly, when I think about the majority of the things that have happened in my life, it's like my entire life looks different than I planned. 

Erin: Me too.

Portia: But I think one of the things that comes to mind is, I guess I should ask you this: Did you know that my sweet Emmi was a preemie?

Erin: I did know that. But it's a little hard to imagine if you know Emmi today, because she's mighty.

Portia: Yes, there she is. She was born about seven weeks early. And that was definitely not a part of the plan. You know how some ladies have these beautiful, glowing, perfect pregnancies? Well, that's not me at all. 

Erin: Right. 

Portia: Long story short, when I hit my third trimester, I started having severe blood pressure problems. My doctor called me and she was like, you know, “I just need you to go to the hospital. We're going to run some routine tests.” And what was supposed to be a few hours at the hospital actually turned out to be weeks. They didn't let me go home. They transferred me to a different hospital. And I ended up having to be induced early and my sweet girl was born, weighing three pounds, eleven ounces. She spent nineteen days in the NICU. We actually spent Christmas day in the NICU. That picture is a picture of us. It was our first family photo in the NICU.

Erin: Yeah, and you thought you were going to spend that Christmas day still pregnant, right?

Portia: Absolutely. I wasn't due until February. I did not think that I was gonna have a Christmas baby. That was definitely not something that I would have planned. But even in that, God was still near every step of the way. 

Erin: I love that story. Redemption is what the Lord did with that story. I think we all have something like that, or you mentioned lots of things. As I look back at my life, I go, “Whoa, that was not part of the plan.” And we would love to hear what some of your things are, some of your detours, so to speak, where you look back and go, “I didn't plan that. God did, but I didn't.” So, step right up to your keyboard share in the comments, whether it's where you live, or who you married, or maybe it's something physical that you're dealing with, or I don't know, it could be many different things that you think that was not part of your plan. And here's why we want to know, because today's guests are Bethany Beal and Kristen Clark. You might know them as the women behind Girl Defined which is a ministry to young women. And whether it's being single way longer than one of them planned to be or facing infertility, or how about this: international adoption during a pandemic? This is where those big eye emojis would be helpful. That—that's not part of anybody's plan, I don't think. They've dealt with grief and loss. They've become the target of internet scrutiny, pretty intense internet scrutiny at times. And I know that wasn't part of the plan. So, these girls have faced some unexpected twists and turns and they're going to tell us some of their story. 

Portia: Yep. And here's why we've invited them here to talk about that, because it's easy to look back and laugh at something like flunking out of dental hygiene school when it happened ten years ago. 

Erin: Oh, you're sweet, Portia, that was twenty years ago, but I appreciate you saying that was ten years ago. 

Portia: I was trying to help you and you just spilled the tea to everybody.

Erin: I did. 

Portia: You know I was trying to help you out. 

Erin: You’ve always got my back.

Portia: When we are in the middle of a detour, something that was not a part of our plan, but it was a part of God's plan, it can be hard to keep perspective. So, Bethany and Kristen are here to help with that. And I can't wait for the conversation. But first, we need some good news. And for that we need our Canadian co-host, Alejandra. 

Erin: Come on, Alejandra, we need you.

Alejandra Slemin: Hi, you guys. I need you too, mostly on a Monday morning.

Erin: I can't hear her, Portia. Can you hear her?

Portia: I cannot hear her, she's talking and I can’t hear her.

Erin: She does not have any volume. Okay, I'm gonna take the wheel, Alejandra, and hopefully figure out how to get you some information…

Alejandra: Actually, they can hear me.

Erin: Oh, they can hear you, but we can’t. Okay, go ahead, Alejandra. This is not part of the plan, for real.

Alejandra: Yeah, this is life. I’m far, but not that far, so you could still hear me. Well, moving to Canada was not part of my plan. I thought I was going to live on a Caribbean island my whole life. But God had other plans, just like this morning. A little bit of sound issues. But we're here. We need good news, certainly. And this Good News falls under the category of the unexpected. We're going to shift our focus to Pakistan, specifically to a city called Abbottabad, Pakistan. And if that name sounds familiar, it's because that's where Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden was killed ten years ago. 

But how's this for an unexpected headline? Listen, Bibles distributed inside Osama bin Laden's Pakistan compound: 100 souls saved. It's true. There is a mission organization called Mission Cry and they gather extra Christian resources and Bibles and books. And they distributed them among spiritually needy people. So, they took a bunch of Bibles down to Pakistan and let me tell you, many of the Muslims there had never seen a Bible. 

One Muslim woman, after she started reading the Bible, said, “You know what? I'm not sure what God is in this Bible. But one thing I know is that the God that I serve is not real.” And she later gave her life to Jesus Christ. It’s amazing because this compound is not so big. This is a small neighborhood, basically, but one-hundred Muslims so far have given their life to Jesus. I don't know about you, but I believe in the power of God's Word, and to me that is not just good news, that's amazing news.

Portia: Yes, absolutely. That is amazing news. You know, every time I think about the fact that Bibles are being distributed in Al Qaeda’s compound—y'all just think about that for a minute. That is amazing. I'm sure God knows, and this was all a part of His plan. So that is such good news. Thank you, Alejandra. 

Well, y'all know that I love me some Kristen Clark and Bethany Beal. We got to know each other at the Sisters in Ministry Summit back in 2019. And we instantly hit it off. It was like we had been friends forever. So, they have become even closer to me and dear sisters, and I am so excited to have them here. Welcome back to Grounded girls.

Bethany Beal: All right, hey, we are so excited to be here. And it's true. I just remember you laughing at the same jokes as us. And we would glance across the room like, “yes.”

Portia: Absolutely. Well, look, I'm not going to waste any time here because I have been checking out your new book Not Part of the Plan. And let me just tell you, so much of what I read so far resonates deeply with me. But, Bethany, I gotta start with you. Tell me about the wedding dress.

Bethany: Okay, this might make some people think I'm officially crazy. So, Kristen actually got married just about ten years ago. While she was wedding dress shopping, I was completely single, cheering on my sister. She came across a dress that I was like, “this is the one for you.” Of course, like obvious, no-brainer. So, I was like, “yes, that's it.” And Kristen looked at it and was like, “I don't think that's it.” And out of nowhere Kristen was like, “you should try it on.” And so, me, being completely single in this really nice wedding dress shop, I try this wedding dress on. Long story short, I decided to buy it. It was very expensive. I don't know what I was thinking. The wedding shop people were like, “when's your big day?” and I'm like “still working on it.” So, I buy this wedding dress thinking that I would get married in the next few years. According to my plan. I'm in my early 20s. Of course, I'm going to get married in the next few years. Well, that didn't happen. 

So really, for the next decade, I have this wedding dress sitting in the back of my closet, my dream dress haunting me, basically reminding me “you aren’t married. This isn't what you wanted, this isn't part of the plan. Can you believe I'm still here, this dress? Can you believe you're still single?”

I did end up getting married about a decade after Kristin and I didn't wear the dress that I paid so much money for. Because by then I felt like it was outdated and didn't match Dav, my guy. So that was a crazy twist and turn to my story. I share the whole story in Not Part of the Plan, the book. But you know, sometimes we make decisions in faith thinking this is what will happen. And then we're like, “wait a minute, I was way ahead of God on that one.” And I was not trusting Him through faith that was just a disaster.

Portia: Listen, you are not alone, sister. I did not buy a wedding dress, but there are a lot of crazy things that I've done like, “oh, yeah, it's gotta work out this way.” Let's talk about a plot twist. Ten years later, and it's like “nah.” So, Kristen, you also share, and I've heard you share this at SIMs in 2019, you share a tough “not part of the plan” story too. And at that point, when you shared in 2019, you and your husband were still praying to become parents. So, tell us a little bit about your journey into motherhood.

Kristen Clark: Yeah, so I've been married for ten years. When I got married, I just imagined, like most young married couples, you just kind of have the best hopes for your future. You imagine everything's going to go according to your timeline that you have in your head. My husband and I were excited to start a family. We were hopeful. And then two years went by, and nothing. Then at that two-year mark, we experienced pregnancy. So, we were so excited and like, “Lord, You've blessed us. We've been patient and we have this great foundation in our marriage. And now here we are, blessed with a pregnancy.” And then it tragically ended in miscarriage, which just totally blindsided us. We were not expecting it of course, but you know, grieved, processed, moved forward, and then six months later, the same thing happened again. 

That really sent us on a journey of wondering; You know, back-to-back miscarriages, like something must be wrong. So we had all the doctor's appointments, dozens of doctor visits, both of us getting thoroughly checked out only to receive the diagnosis of unexplained infertility, which is so frustrating because there's no answers. It's just like, “sorry, you're healthy, but we don't know what the problem is.” I went on to have like five or six years of infertility, and then in 2019 when we connected, I had just gone through another heart-wrenching miscarriage that ended shortly, right before I finished my first trimester. So, it was so shocking; the pregnancy was shocking, the fact that I almost made it out of my first trimester and then it ended was shocking. I was really struggling for the first time in my life to believe that God was good. 

I grew up as a believer. I know, theologically, He's good. But in my heart, I was wrestling like crazy. And God just kept taking me to His Word over and over again. A Scripture passage that anchored my heart is Isaiah 26:3–4 which says, “You keep Him in perfect peace whose mind is stayed on you, because he trusts in you. Trust in the LORD forever, for the LORD God is an everlasting rock.”

I take a deep dive in our book, Not Part of the Plan—this idea that peace doesn't come when our circumstances are easy, automatically, right? Peace isn’t the absence of pain, but it's the presence of God in the midst of our pain. 

Portia: Amen.

Kristen: Another long story is our adoption journey, which God totally did a transformational work in my husband's and my heart to lead us toward international adoption, in the midst of a pandemic. But here I sit with two precious boys in the next room, adopted from the country of Ukraine, who are still learning English, as we are also trying to learn some Russian. So, God is good, He is faithful, but our plans are often not His plans for us. 

Portia: Oh, that is amazing. That is amazing. I got a chance to meet those sweet boys a couple of months back. And I am just so happy at what God is doing inn you guys’ life. So, Bethany, help us understand what it means to look for Kingdom moments when life happens not according to plan.

Bethany: Yeah, you know, like I shared, I bought this wedding dress, and I assumed I was going to get married. But for about the next ten years, I was single, and I desperately wanted to be married. I came face to face with a decision: am I going to live all out for Christ and thrive, striving to glorify Him and trust Him and look for Kingdom moments, look for opportunities to serve Him in small ways, in big ways, and however He would see fit? Or am I just going to sulk and be mad and sad and bitter that I don't have what I want? And so this took me a while, but God graciously opened my eyes and changed my heart. My mid-to-late twenties, I started living for Kingdom moments. And I realized, for me, that even if I never got married, I truly could be happy, I truly could be joyful, I truly could thrive because I was living out God's purpose for me, which is to glorify Him, to be in a relationship with Him. And my circumstances didn't need to change in order for me to do that. 

So, I started living for Kingdom moments. I started more intentionally mentoring younger women, I started investing into my family more intentionally, I started using the single years, with all the flexibility that I had, for God's glory. It was those little moments, like the people right around me; it was the bigger moments opportunities within my church, within Girl DefinedMinistries. But I just said, “God, I want to be used for kingdom moments, for kingdom purposes. And I know that's the key. That's the answer to truly thriving, even if my circumstances aren’t the way that I wanted.” And it transformed my life, just looking for kingdom moments, putting on those new glasses, saying, “God, what can I do for you today?” 

Portia: You know, I'm telling y'all, everything that you're saying and a lot of what you share in this book, it resonates so deeply with me, because I remember experiencing some of those same things. I felt like I got to a point in my singleness where I was praying, “Lord, help me to really love You more than I love the idea of being married. And even if it doesn't happen, help me to be delightful about my life.” And so, this, it's hitting home with me; there are plenty of people who are watching who, it's resonating with them as well. 

So, Kristen, you already shared a passage from Isaiah that deeply, you know, encouraged you during some of your not planned moments. Bethany, I kind of want to ask you the same. Is there a specific passage or specific truths from Scripture that have encouraged you when your life has hit a detour? 

Kristen Clark: Yeah, you know, I really clung to Proverbs 3:5–6 early in my twenties. I really made it a life verse and it says, “Trust in the LORD with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make straight your paths.”

And I have found, since getting married, these three years that, wow, that verse is so powerful and so true and such just a cry of my heart. Even now, because we constantly are needing to trust God, we're constantly needing Him to direct our paths for the next hour, tomorrow. So, I would just encourage you as you're listening or watching to make that the cry of your heart as well. Ask God to help you to trust Him. You don't have to have the strength. God can give you the strength. And then trust that if you trust in the Lord with all your heart, if you do not lean on your own understanding, if you acknowledge Him in all of your ways, that He will direct your paths.

It may not be where you want, but it will be where He wants. And that's ultimately, truly what we want, isn't it? So that verse has brought such comfort. So, I encourage you: write it down— Proverbs 3:5–6—and then go look it up in your Bible later or write it on a 3x5 card, because I know that it's such an anchor for your soul.

Portia: Yes, yes, that verse is actually, I think, Emmi’s favorite verse at this point. She comes home every day from school singing it. They’re teaching her the verse in school, and I reinforce it. I think that is a good verse to anchor ourselves with when it comes to trusting God's plan. 

Well, as we wrap up really quickly, I know there's a sister watching, and there's something happening, that is not a part of the plan. And I know this because we all experience unplanned moments; life is unpredictable. We don't even have to wonder about what's going on; we know that somebody is probably experiencing this right now. Kristen, can you end our time today by just praying for the sister who is walking through an unplanned season?

Kristen: Yeah, absolutely. Lord, we come before You today together as sisters from around the world. And we all acknowledge openly that there are many things going on in our lives right now, or something we're about to step into, something from the past that did not go according to our plan. And, Lord, as hard as it is, we thank You for these seasons, for these moments, because they truly remind us of how much we need You. They show us that we're not ultimately in control, that You are. And as we open our hands and surrender, as we trust in the One who holds tomorrow, who holds all things together in His hands, that is when we find true peace in the midst of our storm in the midst of the trial, in the midst of our pain, Lord, You bring peace, as we trust You, as we anchor our hearts in You, and our lives in you, and our rock and our firm foundation. So please help each one of us to do that, Lord, help us to open our hands and surrender, and to fully trust You. We praise You that you are a good Father, who loves us, who is ultimately working all things out for our good and Your glory. And we pray this in Jesus’ name. Amen.

Portia: Amen, amen. Thank you, ladies, so much. Our time together is always such a blessing. And I can't wait to see your faces again. 

Bethany:

We love you girl. 

Portia: Well, I think now is the perfect time to get grounded in God's Word. And I know just the girl to help us with that. Erin?

Erin: I love that we've already had our Bibles open this morning both to Isaiah and to Proverbs. We're going to stay in God's Word, because that's what we do here on Grounded. I'd love for you to turn in your Bibles to a verse we love to quote. We like to write it inside graduation cards. We like to pray at baby showers. And I think we should. But I also think we should know what we're really saying about God's plan for our lives. The verse may be a familiar one. It's Jeremiah 29:11. I'm going to read it from the ESV. Jeremiah 20, oh, I'm in 23. Let me get there. Jeremiah 29:11. I was ready, but then I wasn’t. It says this, “For I know the plans I have for you, declares the LORD, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope.” 

Man, those words warm our hearts. God has a plan for us. And it's a good plan. It's not a plan where there's going to be harm, it's for our welfare. God's going to give us a future, He's going to give us a hope. Those words make us feel like we can face the future without fear because God has a good plan for us. 

I'm not going to say that this verse shouldn't make us feel those things. But every text is part of a context. And the context is really important here. I could read you the whole book of Jeremiah. It all is fascinating. It all matters. But let me just rewind us just a single verse to verse 10, the preceding verse, “For thus says the LORD: When seventy years are completed for Babylon, I will visit you, and I will fulfill to you my promise and bring you back to this place.”

And then the Lord says, “For I know the plans I have for you, declares the LORD, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope.”

Well, if you know the book of Jeremiah, you know that this actually is not a warm and fuzzy verse, as warm and fuzzy as verse 29:11 can feel. Jeremiah prophesied that God's people were going to be taken captive by their pagan neighbors, the Babylonians, as a result of their idolatry. And for chapter after chapter, Jeremiah spoke of impending disaster. He told God's people “war is coming, sickness is coming, slaughter is coming, and destruction is coming.” And Jeremiah predicted that Jerusalem, which is God's special city, built by God's people, was going to fall to Nebuchadnezzar, and that the kingdom would be torn apart. 

And ten chapters after God spoke this beautiful promise through Jeremiah, “for I know the plans I have for you, plans to prosper you and not to harm you, but to give you a hope and a future,” just ten chapters later, in the course of this book, everything that Jeremiah prophesied came to fruition. Jerusalem fell, the Israelites who survived, which was a minority, were carried off as captives to Babylon. 

Right before their city was destroyed, right before the temple was desecrated, right before men, women, and children were hauled away as slaves, that's when God said, “For I know the plans I have for you, declares the LORD, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a hope and a future.” 

Man, talk about a detour. I want you to imagine yourself living in Israel in that day. God had promised that a king would always sit on David's throne. And then as we read the book of Jeremiah, we see all the rulers of Israel either killed or deposed and humiliated. God had promised that the land they lived in was theirs, called the Promised Land. He'd given it to him as a gift. And here in the book of Jeremiah, it gets taken over by other nations who do not worship the one true God. It must have felt like for the people living through this detour, this twist, if we're going to call it that, it must have felt like God had broken every single promise He'd ever made. And they had to have felt like God had abandoned them.

So, it was in the midst of that, right before everything that Jeremiah prophesied was about to actually happen that He said, “I have a plan for you. And my plan for you is filled with hope. Your future is filled with hope.” 

Now, if you know the story—and I hope you do—eventually, some of the captives did get to come home. But this hope is bigger than that. And as God's children, we can know that no matter what life throws at us, and man isn't life always throwing split-fingered fastballs and curveballs at us? It never is just a lob across home plate. But no matter what life throws at us, God does have a plan for our lives. And that plan includes a future with Him that is better than we can imagine, and can never ever be taken from us.

So, to you, Grounded sister, that this morning, you feel like God's broken His promise to you in some way, or you feel like He's abandoned you, Jeremiah 29:11 really is for you. I want you to hear it again, with all of that context in mind. “For I know the plans I have for you, declares the LORD, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope.”

I hope that encourages you this morning that all detours are temporary. They're all temporary. You know what? A lot of them aren't really detours in the plan of God. But one day, we're going to be with Him forever. That's our ultimate hope. That's our future. 

I know sometimes the twists and turns of life are much worse than flunking out of dental hygiene school. I can laugh at that now. But there's some other detours, and I've been open about them here, on Grounded, that I'm facing right now, and they don't feel funny. And it's hard to imagine that the Lord's going to redeem them. So, if you're facing something today that makes it seem like maybe God is cruel, or heartless, or that He's broken His promises, we're here to remind you that God can use a twisted story. Let's hear from Nancy DeMoss Wolgemuth in this very short teaching clip.

Nancy DeMoss Wolgemuth: There are pages and chapters in our stories that don't make much sense. They may even seem heartless and cruel. Certainly not the kind of story that a good God would write. But in God's Word, in God's story, we find a backstory that shows us what once was, and how things got to be where they are today—creation, fall. And there we discover a God who is faithful, whose story cannot be thwarted and who was always working to accomplish His good, eternal plan, using even twisted human actions and circumstances to bring glory to Himself in the end. And in this story, in this Word, we find promises of a bright and certain future that awaits us. That's what will give you courage. That's what gives you the ability to get up in the morning and put your feet on the ground when your life is swamped or challenged by hard places of your story, when it seems that everything around you is crumbling or falling apart, when it seems that that person is making your life miserable. God gives you wisdom, God gives you grace to walk through that. 

But sometimes there's no fixing, no changing. You've got that brain bleed going on, and you can't fix it or change it. You've got that son-in-law or that parent or that mate or that child who's a prodigal, and your heart is broken. That's when we need to remember and tether our hearts to the truth that God created it good. We sinned and blew it. All of us have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. But that God is redeeming and making all things new and that He will bring good and completion, consummation.

Portia: Oh, I don't know about you, Alejandra. But as soon as I heard Nancy's voice, it's like, “let me just sink into my seat and just listen.” 

Alejandra: Just like “pay attention, pay attention. Whatever she's going to say, it's going to touch your heart.”

Portia: Yeah, it was so good. So good. Well, Bethany and Kristen’s book is perfect for the young women in your life. The book, and I think I showed you guys earlier, but here it is. I have my copy. It's entitled Not Part of the Plan. I love the subtitle. It’s Trusting God with the Twists and Turns of Your Story. This is the good stuff. We always want to recommend the tools to keep yougrounded. And I think this is one. So we will drop a link for you guys to check it out.

Alejandra: You know what I like too, we recommend things that we have and that we keep, and that have touched our hearts, too. Because Nancy and Robert also wrote a book that I have, too, and it feels like the big brother or sister of Not Part of the Plan, the book that you just showed. But this one is called You Can trust God to Write Your Story. And it's amazing. One of the quotes in here says “you can trust God to write, w-r-i-t-e, your story. And you can be sure that in the end, He will right, r-i-g-h-t, your story. I love it. I love it. I love it.” 

Portia: Me too. Me too. Well, I'm sad, because part of the plan every week at Grounded is that we have to end the episode.

Erin: We could just stay here forever and talk all day. That would be my plan. 

Alejandra: I think so. 

Portia: We would, we would. But you know what Erin? I am so glad that you are not a dental hygienist and that God brought you here to Grounded with us.

Erin: Yeah, I don't think there are any dental hygiene Grounded hosts. So, I'm so glad. 

Hey, I've been reading some of the comments. It's a little hard for me to keep up during the episode. But you ladies know this topic. You have faced some pretty major twists in your story. I just want to read a few of them. Yvonne said she was divorced four years ago, after thirty-eight years of marriage and five children. You want to talk about “not part of the plan.” That is a major detour. Yolanda says that she had a renal artery aneurysm rupture at a “Moody Sing,” April 29, 2005. That's my birthday, Yolanda. “But God was there every step of the way. Hallelujah.” And then Mrs. Victory did not plan to have her children eleven months apart, whoa. She gave their birth dates and had those two babies very close together. So, I love hearing your stories. And what I love even more is the evidence that God redeems the twists and turns of our lives, doesn't He, girls? 

Portia: Absolutely.

Alejandra: He does. Can you notice that most of them said “but God,” “but God”? It’s like God came right in the nick of time. And He did, and now He's part of their stories.

Erin: Yeah, I love that. Hey, we have the most amazing November lined up. We do. I am sort of shocked that it is November first, but it is, and we have an amazing month of episodes lined up. You're not gonna want to miss a single one. I just want to warn you that next week we are tackling a really tough topic, which is how to respond to the epidemic of suicide. If you've been watching this in the news at all, suicide rates really are the pandemic within the pandemic, and and you are going to want to be a part of this episode because, I promise, it may touch you, but it certainly touches somebody you know, so let's wake up with hope together next week on Grounded. 

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