Is The Real Pro-Life Battle In Our Pews?, with Tracy Robinson

Is the real pro-life battle happening in our pews? Guest Tracy Robinson says "yes." Learn how you can be part of The Quiet Rescue in this equipping episode of Grounded.

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The Matter of Life film trailer

The Matter of Life website

Autumn Lindsey's Story 

True Woman Manifesto

New season of The Deep Well with Erin Davis

The Pro-Life Issues No One Marches For, with Jenny Summers and Dr. Kathryn Butler 

You Have a Pro-Life Story to Tell, with Ryan and Bethany Bomberger

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Dannah Gresh: Where were you that moment when it was announced that Roe v. Wade, that monumental decision that guaranteed a federal right to abortion, had been overturned? I remember where I was. 

This is Grounded—a production of Revive Our Hearts, and I'm Dannah Gresh.

Portia Collins: I'm Portia Collins. We are still feeling the shock waves of that earthquake of a decision. Here we are several weeks later. And though it might seem like everyone is talking about abortion, many of those conversations are simply not grounded and saturated in God's Word. Today, we want to be a small part in fixing that. 

Dannah: Yep, exactly.

Portia: Well Dannah, check this out. You left us You left us hanging. Where were you when you heard about the Supreme Court's decision?

Dannah: Well, Bob and I were driving down Interstate 83. If you don't know this part of the country, that's pretty close to Washington, D.C. We were just 30 minutes from the Supreme Court. So, we decided, “Let's go there.” There were a few hundred people there, not really as many as I would have thought. Most were very hurt, very angry abortion advocates. 

Portia, Erin knew I was there. She was texting me and asked me to snap a photo or make a video for Grounded. I mean, this is history, right? But I gotta tell you, the signs were so vulgar, and so was the rhetoric. I remember thinking, Wow, we've got to find the wisdom to speak into this hurt. It's very real. That pain in these women's hearts is very real. 

But at the same time, there were a handful of pro-life people. They're the ones being vocal. While they weren't being kind, the words they were saying were true, but how they were saying them weren't in the character of Jesus. And so, I realized that even though we didn't speak in to this hurt, we need to do it with gentle boldness.

Portia: Amen and lots of grace. Okay, lots of grace. 

Dannah: Yeah. 

Portia: Well, today, we want to equip you to have bold grace-filled conversations about the sanctity of human life. Our guest today is Tracy Robinson. She says that she was once a pro-life Christian who didn't want to talk about her beliefs concerning abortion. I can understand, you know, but then God gave her some boldness. He provided the courage to obey His prompting, to create a film to equip the church. And to be honest, unashamedly pro-life, amen.

Dannah: Amen. That's a film that Facebook has not been friendly to. I know some of you might be watching this through Facebook, but we're gonna break through the filters today. Get that film some press, because it's something that everybody needs to see. We're eager to jump right in. So, let's kick off this program with a little bit of good news. Portia.

Good News: Pregnancy Care Resources (13:16)

Portia: I'm ready. You know, I'm the Good News correspondent. We know that the conversation about abortion comes with a lot of negative labels. But inside the stories of the sign-toting proponents and angry advocates in political sparring, there are stories of life—800,000 stories of life. In fact, researchers estimate that's how many babies have been rescued from abortion since 2016 as a result of the efforts of pregnancy care centers around the United States. 

So, let's sit with that number for a moment. 800,000, 800,000 babies who were born into the world who otherwise might not have been 800,000 Babies who took their first breath and their first step, and we will eventually maybe walk across the stage to receive their high school diploma or college degree or perhaps even walk down the aisle to be married. And then they'll have babies of their own 800,000 image bearers of God allowed to live and we pray, will know Jesus will come to know Jesus and experience His love and His grace. 

Pregnancy resource centers are often grassroots organizations, many times run by Christians or as church outreaches. They are meeting women at their moment of need with the hope that they can choose life. Research indicates that these centers serve more than 2 million women per year, and that nearly, get this 99% of women choose life. After going into these centers, many have described this as a war. And in many ways, it is there are countless men and women serving quietly and without recognition compassionately with lots of grace, and they are turning the tide. 

So, if you have a pregnancy care center in your community, consider giving to them today, support them or simply reach out and say, “Thank you.” Let them know that they have made the list of Grounded heroes today. We think that that is some good news. Now, before we hear from Dannah and Tracy, we've got a short clip from a powerful new movie called The Matter of Life. And I want you to check it out.

Video Clip from “The Matter of Life”

Speaker: I think this is the battleground culture issue in America today. How is it that we can trust an organization for whom abortion is such an important part of their business model to simultaneously effectively prevent pregnancy and prevent abortion?

Speaker: The problem in America today is that people simply change the topic. The key to successfully talking about abortion is to try to bring the conversation back to one key question.

Speaker: When you're an obstetrician gynecologist and you’re pro-choice, you have to decide whether you're actually going to do those abortions.

Speaker: I believe that being pro-life is the most progressive value that we can have. 

Speaker: The abortion industry is most threatened by Christians engaging in pro-life work.

Speaker: Finding that pregnancy center was the only person I had to support me at that time. 

Speaker: She's got to know when she takes that pregnancy test that her church is not going to treat her like the Pharisees tried to treat the woman caught in adultery.

Speaker: As a church, we can't just vote pro-life, we have to be pro-love.

Guest Tracy Robinson on “The Matter of Life” (17:42)

Dannah: The Matter of Life that was the trailer for a new film that highlights the fact that four in ten women who had abortions were attending churches the month of their procedures. Ads for the movie released just a few weeks ago. Today, filmmaker Tracy Robinson is with us. Tracy, welcome. We are so glad to have you here with us today on Grounded.

Tracy Robinson: Thank you so much for having me.

Dannah: Hey, how long have you been making films?

Tracy: Well, my background is in film production. I'm primarily a documentary video editor. This is my first feature length film. So my background and my experiences in filmmaking. But this is my first foray into directing and producing a feature length film that went to theaters and got distribution and everything, so it's pretty exciting.

Dannah: Congratulations! 

Tracy: Thank you.

Dannah: We are so glad that you put your producer hat on this is a very important film. Now, before we talk about the new film and the resistance to it, I want to go back a few years to, let's say, 2015? How would you describe your position on life that year?

Tracy: Yeah, I would say even as an evangelical Christian, I was pro-choice. Essentially, if I were to boil my opinion down, I think I probably labeled myself personally pro-life, as in who am I to enforce my beliefs onto other people, but I would never choose abortion. So that's where I was. But I honestly didn't think about abortion that much. I wasn't that concerned about it. I didn't think it was a big deal in the grand scheme of things. I knew it had something to do with being a Christian, like we have to be pro-life. But it just really didn't enter my mind. I didn't think about it that deeply—of what abortion truly does.

Dannah: Why do you think you were? What I mean, you have a very radically different position now. You're making a film to defend life. Why do you think at that time you were more complacent about the issue then you are now?

Tracy: Well, I think it just didn't concern me. I had never been pregnant. I just never found myself in that position. So my foray into this was actually working at a pregnancy resource center, doing videos for them. I was commissioned on and off as a freelancer. I had left the corporate world and was doing documentaries, producing videos, as a freelancer. 

And so, I was doing these testimonial videos for a pregnancy resource center in California. And I like I said, I was pretty much on the fence in terms of the abortion issue. Personally, I was pro-life as I mentioned, but I was meeting all these amazing women who had stories of abortions, and who are now helping other women and ministering to them. I was really inspired by how the center was helping people choose life. I thought it was beautiful and was really impacted by a lot of the stories. 

But it wasn't until my friends at the pregnancy center, the staff there, invited me to an apologetics conference. The topic was going to be the case against abortion. I decided to attend to just figure out or learn what my pro-life friends are really talking about, to get to the bottom of their beliefs. And in less than two hours at that event, my mind was changed. That's where the vision for this documentary really dawned on me. I like to say it was downloaded to me. 

Dannah: So, I'm curious. What specifically who did you hear? What did they say that had such a significant impact on you?

Tracy: Well, the speaker was Alan Schliemann, of Stand to Reason. He gave a clear, concise, logical argument for the full humanity of the unborn child—from the moment of conception. I learned about this thing called the science of embryology. Can you imagine that? You know, even in my late twenties, this really basic information had never really been presented to me. So logically, the fact that we all know that, that killing an innocent human being is wrong. But we have to be faced with the fact that abortion does that, and therefore it's wrong. 

And so, he showed us information about how life begins at conception. He showed us fetal imagery. He also invited us to look at abortion aftermath imagery. I think it was simply just being invited to think about it, to think about it in a deeper way, and departing from the euphemisms that we hear and just that sort of vague understanding that we subscribe to from the culture. I knew there were so many people in my shoes, who had just never really been challenged.

Dannah: Yeah. As you describe your change, I think that what you're describing before 2015. You were pro-life, but it didn't really affect us. You weren't that really concerned about it. There was an underlying part of you that thought, “I don't have a right to tell somebody what to do.” 

I'm really concerned that there are a number of women and men in our church who aren't well educated about the value of life biologically and spiritually, and because the media is so often educating them in propaganda and a message of abortion, we are really being programmed by that unless we step into something like you did: book a conference with apologetics conversation, where we really are forced to think about it critically. 

Tracy: This is a film that anybody can watch. They don't have to be a Christian to really resonate with this film, in my opinion. It's a powerful tool convert people, so to speak, and educate and edify them to the pro-life persuasion point of view. And, but in terms of this being for Christians, that was an epiphany that I had actually midway through making this film. I learned a staggering statistic, not only that, 4 out of 10 women who have had an abortion in their past, attended church in the month they became pregnant. But the fact that over half of all major Protestant denominations in the United States are either silent on abortion, or they actually make exceptions for abortion. That silence is essentially complacency. 

So, that was a huge epiphany. I realized that maybe God is going to use this film to wake up more churches and help Christians take more action on this issue. It is such an opportunity to love our congregations and our people and people everywhere. 40% more. There’s such a need not only for people that have chosen abortion in their past or been involved with abortion in their past, but someone who is vulnerable to that—young adults everywhere, in our schools and churches. They really say that topic is something that Christians need to engage in.

Dannah: I agree. And when you say that there's silence in such a majority of churches, that concerns me. I'm a kind of a spokesperson in the area of sexual purity, and having a theology of our sexuality and our bodies. I've always told churches and leaders that when we are quiet, when we are not speaking out with the biblical truth on these issues, like abortion and life, it's like putting a megaphone up to the world's lies, and really just allowing their voice to be loud.

To be heard, we've got to step into this. That's what your film is inviting us to do. Tell me what's the most compelling scene in the film for you, in your opinion?

Tracy: Well, I think that the we show a former abortion list of a former abortion surgeon and how he became pro-life. His story of how he got to that point of never doing abortions is incredibly powerful, and just sticks with people forever. I think the enemy would love to censor and completely hide his story because it completely demolished just any arguments, you really can't argue with his story. It's just so powerful. He actually went through a tragedy that led him to have to actually face reality and come to terms with what he was actually doing, what he was doing every day for money. So that's probably the most powerful story for me.

Dannah: Wow. Well, the movie is called The Matter of Life. And it's a must see for every believer, but Facebook has been deleting promotional ads about it. So, Tracy, how can we help get the word out about the film?

Tracy: You can post it on social media, you can watch the film, that's probably the most important thing you can do. Visit MatterofLife.org and find out just keep posted on ways you can see it. It's coming to digital and DVD pretty soon. Right now, it's on SalemNow.com streaming there. So yeah, I think just spreading the word and sharing this with others is really important.

Tracy: Okay, Grounded sisters. You have your marching orders. This is a very important piece of action for us as we celebrate life. At this momentous time in history, we're going to drop a link to in the comments and the episode notes so you can share this important work again, that website is TheMatterofLife.org. Tracy, thank you so much for being with us today. And more importantly, for the wonderful work that you're doing to defend life.

Tracy: Thank you so much.

Dannah: Well, we've been talking about this very tough topic today. We really would love it if you're encouraged and motivated and want to help be a part of celebrating this decision as well as informing people. You just heard a woman say that “I had an opinion that was not as strong as it needed to be biblically.” And also, “I wasn't saying all the things I needed to say” because she wasn't informed. This film will help with that. We invite you to share this program. Go ahead and share it in the comments on your social media help us spread the hope and perspective of life. 

Portia: Yeah. But you know, it's easy to forget that Roe v. Wade was originally decided by the Supreme Court nearly 50 years ago. I know that it's more than a lifetime for many of us, me. But it is less than two generations. Which makes me ask the question, what will the next generation, those followers of Jesus who are like now my Emmi’s age, what will they think about abortion? If they're going to embrace life as one of the greatest gifts, it will likely be the result of the prayers that we are praying today, the conversations that we are having today, the way we celebrate life today. Autumn Lindsey is one young woman who is holding that banner high. And we think her story will inspire you, as you disciple the next generation. So, let's check it out.

Autumn Lindsey Video on Life (30:30)

Autumn Lindsey: Something my mom always says is where there's life, there's hope. My youngest sister is an amazing example of this. She was born in China, and she was found in a ditch under a streetlight at one day old, and I think she was four pounds. If you look at that, being born and being left in a ditch is the definition of helpless. But because her mother chose life, she is now in America with an amazing family that adopted her—two loving parents, six siblings, food, shelter, love. And so, because her mother chose life, we now get to enjoy her.

Narrator: Autumn Lindsay grew up hearing about Jesus and her home was a place where life was valued. She had always heard about the pro-life movement, but had never gotten involved personally. But one day when she was 16 years old, Autumn was scrolling through her Facebook feed and saw an article by Teen Vogue.

Autumn: The article was called “What to Get a Friend Post-Abortion.” It was 10 things you could buy your friend—little gifts, gag gifts, really, a gesture to help her along with the aftermath of the abortion. They were just ridiculous gifts, a funny movie to get her mind off of it. So, it was all just very light-hearted. It was a very blasé approach. 

There were a lot of pro-life people talking about how they completely disagreed with this. And it was just getting really popular. So, I was just scrolling through Facebook, saw the article. We discussed it as a family. Then my sister-in-law actually was like, you should do a video, you should just say something. I wasn't too thrilled about the idea. But I just felt like it was something that God was calling me to for some reason. 

My mom and I sat on my couch in front of the fireplace for, I'd say, an hour-and-a-half, two hours to write a 10-minute script, which is crazy. Usually, it takes me a lot longer to do that. And then the next morning, we found a studio, and we filmed it. 

Hello, my name is Autumn, and I'm 16. I would like to talk to you about an article recently posted by Teen Vogue called “What to Get a Friend Post-Abortion.” And since I'm a teen, this was directed towards me, and I would like to respond. The point of the article was to make the situation seem as light-hearted and nonchalant as possible in order to convince girls my age that abortion is no big deal. When we need to clarify one thing first, abortion is a big deal. A very big deal. And to say it is not is simply feeding us a lie.

Narrator: Autumn had no idea what God would do with this video. She was just obedient to do what God had asked. And to her surprise, this video went viral—not only reaching the pro-life audience, but far beyond.

Autumn: I think what surprised me the most was just the fact that God used it so quickly, that He had been planning this for years. I compete in a Speech and Debate League. I started that three years ago. Three years ago I hated speaking in front of people. I would have never done this. He knew this is a tool I would need now, the ability to speak. I just think about all the things that He had set up for this moment, for this time He started years ago preparing me for all of this, working in my heart, giving me compassion for the pro-life movement.

Narrator: Even though Autumn is young, she is choosing to spend her energy being a voice for the unborn and motivating others to do the same.

Autumn: I think one of my biggest things is to encourage other teens, because I would love to see just more young people speaking out. We're often called the pro-life generation, it's this generation that's rising up. I strongly believe that this generation will be the generation to end abortion, or to you know, make it no longer legal. And so, I think that it's just so important to have the young people getting passionate about this issue. The fact that an abortion is happening every 97 seconds is something that should motivate us all to get involved in hopes of making a difference. Because if you save one life, that's hundreds of generations. So even one life is going to make a huge difference. My hope is just to get more people involved and more people passionate. But that starts with getting more people to care about this movement.

Narrator: At Revive Our Hearts, we're grateful that God is burdening young people like Autumn to value human life. We're praying that all of us would take time to stop and ponder how we can be involved in helping women see the preciousness of the life they carry inside of them. It's one of our core beliefs we've written about in the True Woman Manifesto.

• Human life is precious to God, and is to be valued and protected from the point of conception until rightful death.
• Children are a blessing from God. Women are uniquely designed to be bearers and nurturers of life. Whether it be their own biological or adopted children, or any other children in their sphere of influence. 

Portia: She said that we might see it, and I've been over here a little weepy. So, bear with me. But she said that we might see it. And here we are. We have seen it. We have seen this huge, like, I can't even find the words. But it just really touches my heart that a young woman can articulate so well, just the value of life, and how this matters. The words that you just heard at the end of that video are from the True Woman Manifesto. It is a document originally released at the first Revive Our Hearts True Woman Conference. And that document has now been signed by thousands of women from around the world. 

And so, if you'd like to add your name to that long list of women who affirm what God's Word says about life, we've got an important link for you to share. You can sign it, you can encourage your friends to sign it. We want you to go to ReviveOurHearts.com/Manifesto. And if you're watching live, we'll drop a link in the chat for you. If you're listening to podcast version, you can always find the links in the episode notes.

Grounded in the Word: Exodus 1:15–21 (38:11)

Dannah: Wow, I gotta tell you, I want Autumn on my True Girl team. She is such a beautiful spokesperson. I am so encouraged with young people like that out there speaking like that. Wow, we're passing a baton of faith to good hands. 

You know, as we get grounded in God's Word today, I want to say that I think it's really easy to think that the problem we're talking about with abortion is out there. But I really think there's a pro-life problem in our pews. You heard Tracy say that four in 10 women who had an abortion were attending church the month that they had that abortion. 

Now, if that just felt like a dagger in your heart, I want to talk specifically to you. I want you to know that God has such big healing, so much hope for you, my friend. I've watched that kind of feeling and that kind of hope unfold in some of my closest friends. I wish I could just wrap my arms around you and tell you God loves you. There is forgiveness. You can be okay. But here's what you need to do. You need to reach out to someone today. In fact, it's the one you'll reach out to that I want to speak to for just a few minutes, as we get grounded in God's Word. Is that you? I hope so. It needs to be every single one of us right now. 

Because if you ask me, we're in a place with the pro-life movement that is more important than ever. This is where the rubber meets the road. The world sees if we truly believe what we've been saying for these decades, while we've been praying that Roe v. Wade would be overturned. How we help now matters. 

So, let's put the politics aside for a moment and just talk about helping women who are experiencing unplanned pregnancy: the teenager who's afraid to tell her mom and dad, the single mom who can't believe I've done it again, the financially desperate married couple and they don't know how they're going to ever make ends meet. We have to acknowledge that these are very real, very frightening places for some women to be. And if we're for life, we need to be for them, no matter how messy or difficult it might be. 

So, how do we help? Well, I think we can have a great impact if we begin to practice what I have been calling for several years, the quiet rescue. I want to take you to a passage in the Old Testament to meet two women who inspired that title, the quiet rescue. Their names are Shiphrah and Puah. They were midwives. 

Now let me set up the path that I'm about to read to you from Exodus chapter 1. Pharaoh perceives the Hebrews to be a national security threat. He may have thought there are so many of them, if they decide they don't like us, when our enemies come against us. They'll ally with our enemies, and we'll be in trouble. So, we need to make sure they don't become too powerful of a force in this land. Whatever he was thinking, this is what the Bible tells us happened next, this is Exodus chapter one. 

Then the king of Egypt said to the Hebrew midwives, one of whom was named Shiphrah and the other Puah, “When you serve as midwife to the Hebrew women and see them on the birthstool, if it is a son, you shall kill him, but if it is a daughter, she shall live.”But the midwives feared God and did not do as the king of Egypt commanded them, but let the male children live. 

So the king of Egypt called the midwives and said to them, “Why have you done this, and let the male children live?” The midwives said to Pharaoh, “Because the Hebrew women are not like the Egyptian women, for they are vigorous and give birth before the midwife comes to them.” So God dealt well with the midwives. And the people multiplied and grew very strong. And because the midwives feared God, he gave them families. 

Shiphra and Puah feared God, and so they did not obey the king of Egypt when he tried to kill those precious babies. These two women valued and protected life. And what I want to ask you today is, “How did they do it?” 

Now, we aren't exactly sure they say the Hebrew midwives gave birth so quickly they couldn't get to them in time. So, did they walk slowly when they were given a message that a Hebrew woman was in labor? I don't know. But they refuse to take life that was created by God. How did they do this? Quietly. I call it the quiet rescue. More walk and talk, more action than reaction, more your need than my opinion. We need women like that now. 

And yes, Moses was called to oppose the government years down the road, because these women had been so faithful and his life was spared. We need those people who speak for life in the political realm. But I think right now in this era, in this hour, we need Shipras and Puahs to and maybe more. I'm calling out to them today. I'm calling out to you today, women and men, if you're listening poised to participate in the quiet rescue. Boys to run to that teenage girl and say, “I'll go with you to talk to your mom and dad.” Be poised to run to that single woman who's pregnant again and to disciple her and walk with her and pray for her boys to go to that young couple that doesn't know how they're going to make ends meet and put our money where our mouths have been. That's what we need to do. And let me tell you, it's gonna look different in everybody's lives. 

But you just got to have your eyes open to see where the need is. In fact, I have a friend whose college-age friend thought she was pregnant just a few years ago. It wasn't the best timing. Let me say it's okay to acknowledge that. Even though life is precious, every single time God chooses to create it, sometimes the timing is complicated for us. And when you enter into that pain for a woman, you begin to be a part of the quiet rescue.

So, my friend, she went to this friend who thought she was pregnant as a college student, in a Christian university, and she cried with her. That's where we start the quiet rescue. We weep with those who weep. Then my friend went to the drugstore and bought a pregnancy test and a bag of balloons. You might think what? Why the bag of balloons, she went back to her friends, and she said, we're going to blow up some balloons and take the test. Either way we celebrate. If you're not pregnant, we thank God for the grace. We have a fresh start. But if you are, we thank God for the life, and we celebrate the baby. 

That's what it looks like to enter into the quiet rescue, at least for that college student it did. No matter how you went through, it's going to be messy. It's going to be complicated. It's going to be time consuming, just like it was for Shiphrah and Puah. But we need some Shiprahs and Puahs in the land today, and I hope you'll be one. I'm inviting you. Yes, you no matter who you think you are, you matter in this moment right now. If you hear my voice, I'm inviting you to be a part of the quiet rescue.

Portia: I'll be a part sign me up, Dannah.

Dannah: Thank you, Portia. I’m in too. 

Portia: Absolutely, yes. Absolutely. Well, you guys may or may not have noticed that we are not the Three Musketeers today.Right. 

Dannah: We are not. 

Portia: Erin is off. She is away teaching a week at a girl's camp. And you know, at first of all, I can still hear the sound of her voice. She actually sent me such an encouraging text message this morning. And so, we love her. And you know what I really love about her? That girl loves God's Word. 

Dannah: She does.

The Deep Well, New Season: Whispers

Portia: And a new season of Erin’s teaching podcast, The Deep Well was released last week. Yes, called “Whispers.” In this she traces the story, the stories of six women in Scripture who made a big impact with softly spoken words. I think it's a timely reminder that boldness does not require yelling and getting all bent out of shape. All six episodes plus a bonus episode are available now on your podcast app. I want to take a quick minute to read a comment that I hope Erin you watch this later on. Dahlia said, “Erin, I just want to thank you on your “Whispers”series. What a blessing, so convicting, thank you for your transparency and sharing from the heart.”

So, hat was the first comment that we got today. Okay, that in itself should tell you that you need to go and check out this new season. Wherever you listen to your podcast is where you can get it or you can check it out it ReviveOurHearts.com/Whispers.

Dannah: I can't wait to listen to that series that season. You know what Portia? I think we should also point to a couple of past Grounded episodes as we give our women tools to dig deeper that can equip you to have some winsome conversations with your friends and neighbors about abortion. And yes, we do think that it's possible to have winsome conversations. 

The first episode we want to recommend. These episodes are going to help you expand the pro-life conversation. I think, “The Pro-Life Issues No One Marches For” with Harvard educated physician Dr. Katherine Butler, that was a program we had just a few months ago. “The Pro-Life Issues No One Marches For” is a good one. Also, the director of the Pregnancy Care Center in my own community, Jenny Summers, was a guest on that program. 

The second episode is, “You Have a Pro-Life Story to Tell.” You'll hear the real markable story of one couple who was deeply impacted by abortion.

We will drop the link in the comments and the show notes for you. For sure, as we end today, I feel like I want to say this. We want to solve the problems in the pews. And that is that there's not enough compassion, not enough conversation, not enough help happening or we wouldn't see this statistic that 4 out of 10 abortions were from women who were attending church. We have to take some responsibility for that and say, “Maybe I wasn't there.”

So, as I've been listening to the comments today, or reading the comments and listening to the program, I've just had this burden in my heart. Is there someone in your church right now who's pregnant, and you know that the timing is a little complicated for that woman? Reach out to her. Or do you know someone in your church who had an abortion or a complicated pregnancy in the past and chose life, and you were a little bit uncomfortable at the time to enter into the conversation, but God's been bringing her to mind today? Go to her; reach out to her. I guarantee you this healing, the healing that my friends who have had abortions or had complicated pregnancies, and some of them didn't choose life, but they are still in the process of healing. You can be a part of the quiet rescue and their story if you just reach out to them today. So that's my challenge to you, that God would bring that woman to your mind and into your heart, and that you would reach out and be a part of the quiet rescue in her story.

Portia: Amen, amen. I love it, the quiet rescue. I'm like totally gonna nab that. 

Dannah: It’s all yours, girl. 

Portia: Well, I've got a question. Do you want to start a ministry? Or are you already leading the ministry? If so, I encourage you to come back and join us for next week's episode. It is made special for you. We'll pass along some wisdom for how to lead well.

Dannah: Let's wake up with hope together next week on Grounded.

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